If you do not want to find out the answers to your own questions, then you have spoken for your own conversation being a waste of time. Hive is not that big. A lot of people back the same things. I already know that. But if you don't, and can't be bothered to find out, oh well. It's easy to talk big about what you want. Hard to go do the work. I am not the defender of HBD, but I've told you where to find some of them. There are some others making a cool $12K a MONTH on HBD interest with things just the way they are -- you'll find them as you go fight the fight you want. Personally, I'm good on an HBD or an HBE, or both: it's all Bitcoin to me because that's how I move. But there are far bigger things working than just me in the world. Go find out what it would take to get what you want, with that in mind.