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RE: Are Seed Oils Toxic to us?

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There isn't one answer. Every oil is different. Some, like corn, have only Omega-6s. Given how common corn products are in many countries, this is a problem. Other oils have a significant amount of Omega-3s, such as flax, canola, soy and walnut. One thing that is certain: consuming the "good" oils is better than lard, tallow, shortening, butter and margarine, all of which are high in saturated fats, as well as cacao butter and solid oils like coconut and palm. Note that ruminant animals' fat naturally contains trans fat.

Sesame seed oil has also been around for thousands of years, and I'm willing to bet that there are more.

Let's keep in mind that olive oil is from the flesh, not the seeds, but peroxidation still impacts it, albeit not as quickly as walnut oil, for example. How should we classify coconut and other palm oils? Coconut oil comes from the flesh inside the shell and is typically extracted through heat, which causes it to separate from the "creme". I'm not sure what the traditional method is to get the creme from the flesh, but I believe the flesh is grated and pressed. Unfortunately, what I've seen for the saturated fat content of these herbaceous trees is that it's not good for health as a food, and the same is true of corn and safflower, and some of the others. Palm oils tend to be from the fruit, too, but I've never seen it processed nor do I know what part they come from. Palm kernel oil is worse than regular palm oil. Any oil that is solid or semi-solid at room temperature is high in saturated fats and bad for health, including butter and margarine.

One thing that's important to remember is that oils break down due to peroxidation, so it's important to not collect bottles of it and let them sit for months or years. Only buy what you need in reasonable quantities.

Processing oil with cold-extraction such as pressure is the ideal way to extract oil, as it does the least damage to the oil. Processing with heat results in the production of trans fat, which is why deep-frying in the same oil again and again is bad for health (think French fries, onion rings, donuts, etc), and those oils are labeled "refined".

Recently, my sister has become convinced that seed oils are bad (she is an idiot when it comes to health info and very vulnerable to being manipulated, sadly), and I heard her say that Canola is the worst and was created as an engine lubricant. That is not exactly true. Rapeseed oil has been used as an engine lubricant, where the high erucic acid doesn't matter, but Canola is a food-grade variant that is low in that acid and, thus, safe for the heart. Non-food rapeseed oils, called colza oils, are not in the same category as Canola and low-erucic-acid rapeseed oils. Canola is one of the best oils to consume, especially for high-heat cooking as it doesn't break down as readily and doesn't produce trans fats as easily, either. Olive oil is great except for high heat. Some other oils are also wonderful but break down quickly so it's best to buy small quantities to use rapidly. Oils with vitamin E in large quantities are less likely to produce trans fat when heated.

Some of the best oils are, in descending order of Omega-3s content: linseed/flaxseed, hemp, walnut, canola, soybean, mustard, olive, avocado and pumpkin. Other oils can also be included, such as kelp, algal, and Perilla. And, of course, there are several sea animals that have good oil in them, primarily prey fish like salmon. Eating predatory fish, even if it's got good oil in it, carries high risks because of the bio-accumulation of toxins like DDT, PCBs, PFAS and mercury, so avoid swordfish, marlin, grouper, tuna, shark, etc.

I wish you would've delved farther into the large amount of research that's available about seed oils. If you had, you would've been able to find the answers to your questions, and that would've helped your readers. To answer the question you had about whether or not increased insulin resistance could be beneficial, that is definitely bad. Insulin resistance comes about through a complex process involving lipids (fat) in the same cells where glycogens (sugars) are stored, taking up the space and thus requiring excess insulin to be produced so that the glycogens can get into the cells. That's grossly oversimplified, though.

Finally, on the YouTube channel "Nutrition Made Simple", Dr. Gil Carvalho looked at some research into different types of food frying materials and the research says that while you'll be healthier consuming the good oils, the best choice is to not consume oil often. I also recommend the channels "Viva Longevity!" and "Physionic".

In conclusion, some oils are not seed oils (coconut & olive); some oils are good for health because of relatively high levels of Omega-3s; and some oils also contain vitamin E, which seems to retard the breakdown of oil with heat into trans fats. Those which are solid at room temperature should be avoided, just like animal fats. If you can minimize the use of all of these substances, it's better for your health, but that means you'll need to avoid fried food at restaurants and bakeries, which are likely to have lots of trans fats.

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Just to quickly clarify what I said about insulin resistance, this was my question:

So could this be seen as a benefit, despite the fact that insulin resistance still increased with seed oils, just not as rapidly as with saturated fats?

Apologies if it wasn't very clear, but it seems the main conclusion was that the mixing of carb and fat consumption together caused insulin resistance in both cases, but it was more increased with saturated fat consumption. Insulin resistance is, of course, never a good thing.

I believe some oils are referred to as fruit oils rather than seed oils, olive and avocado for example. Perhaps this is why they are more mono-unsaturated fats rather than the polyunsaturated fats. This is why I listed the 8 in the second paragraph that are generally referred to as seed oils. I have to agree that it can be confusing to use this description, because then people will often take this to mean all oils from plants and as you say, they are all different in their composition.

I would also say that we are all different in how our bodies react to and metabolise different foods, which is why I try to gather as much information as I can and feel everyone should make their own decisions from there. I may not agree personally with their choices, but it's their choice in the end.

I wish you would've delved farther into the large amount of research that's available about seed oils. If you had, you would've been able to find the answers to your questions, and that would've helped your readers.

I struggled to find much that wasn't promoted by companies with a vested interest. Do you have any sources you could point me to? Part of my posting this was to see if any readers would have more information and sources they could point me towards. That's what I like about the community aspect here.

Processing with heat results in the production of trans fat, which is why deep-frying in the same oil again and again is bad for health

I'm glad you brought this up. I did come across something about how trans fats can occur with the oils, but couldn't find much more on it other than it being when they process the oil to make it solid, like they did with Crisco back in the day (I believe this process is now banned for the most part). I was planning to delve into that further for another post. I've also come across mention of them developing as the oil peroxidates in the body after consumption, but haven't found anything to back that up and I don't like to make statements that can't be backed up. It's hard enough to know for sure what is happening in the body as things are metabolised anyway and it will be different for all of us.

high in saturated fats and bad for health

I'm starting to wonder if there is nuance here again. I gather even the FDA has dropped its recommended cap on them. Is it more dependent on how our bodies are metabolising them and inflammation levels? You have some people with a genetic predisposition to producing cholesterol at a higher rate than average, for example. I am seeing the suggestion more often that it's the combining of high fat and high carbohydrate that seems to be the most problematic for all chronic disease, yet when people consume on the low fat or low carb ends of the spectrum (wholefood not ultra processed that is) they both have good outcomes despite the opposite approaches. What are your thoughts on this?

Ultimately I think we reach a similar conclusion of everything in moderation.

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