RE: Are Seed Oils Toxic to us?

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RE: Are Seed Oils Toxic to us?

minismallholding in StemSocial • 5 days ago

If the FDA has dumped those recommendations, that's bad news for MAHA because it's going in the wrong direction

Things that have mentioned the cap on saturated fat consumption being dropped were published way before Trump was voted in, so I don't think that has anything to do with the current administration.

I haven't seen anything that says that high fat AND high carbs are driving all chronic diseases, and that would, I feel, be a gross generalization, don't you think?

It's likely one of many hypotheses being put forward and on their own they are probably all gross generalisations. Researchers tend to focus on one thing and then they'll claim that one thing as the cause of something, when the reality is that there are many things coming together and interacting to cause things. We could do with a few more people to collect and assess all results across all studies to try and find patterns.

Apologies for a short response and thank you for all you've added, there's a lot for me to come back to here and I hope to return to it again when I have the time. Great to delve into things with you and I wish I had the time to dedicate to it more consistently.

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reveurgam 4 days ago

That is interesting. Which administration was that happening under?

Here are some resources:

He has a lot of others on fat and oil.

"The effect of different edible oils on body weight: a systematic review and network meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials "

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minismallholding 2 days ago

I just listened to the first one today. I have listened to one of Knobbe's talks before and was thinking he was a bit of an easy target, because his conclusions are all drawn from epidemiological research, which has it's place as a starting point for theories, but is of course full of holes. Gil was actually very respectful of him, however, which I respect in these kinds of discussions. I like that he even said that if people want to avoid seed oils it's not going to harm them.

It's given me some better ideas of what to search for to try and find something on the studies mentioned. I'm just hoping that the saturated fat arm of the studies weren't them eating junk food, which can sometimes be the case. Most people want to prove their hypothesis right whichever side of the argument they're on. Egos are hard to override.

Anyway, I enjoyed listening to him, he's calm and reasonable.

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reveurgam 2 days ago

Gil is pretty good and I'm glad that he doesn't get personal because that would just undermine his authority. I think he could've done a better job providing evidence against what Knobbe said.

Knobbe wasn't always using epidemiological research, which has been denigrated a lot by influencers as being invalid science when a great deal of science is based on what is found with epidemiology, especially in cases where actual experimentation would be unethical; I wouldn't dismiss it. Some of the things that Knobbe said were sheer ignorance, non-sequiturs and other false logic, and that makes him either an ignorant fool or a shill. I can imagine that, even though he's a doctor, he may not have the skills and intelligences necessary to correctly understand data.

I'm glad the video has helped to point you in the right direction.

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minismallholding 4 days ago

Looks like they may have been getting ahead of themselves. It seems there was more pressure for the change at the time of the last guidelines update in 2020, but they chose to keep the cap in the end.

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4226.full

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reveurgam 3 days ago

I wasn't able to read the article but that's interesting because I've seen and heard so much info about the relationship between saturated fat and CVD/mortality.

I would like to point out that at the time that was published, Trump was president, and must also point out that in the US, nutritionists are NOT regulated or certified, nor do they even have to have a relevant degree. Nutritionists in some other countries, must actually be educated appropriately, etc. So that opinion being touted by a group of people who may not have any significant knowledge or background is really not credible.

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minismallholding 3 days ago

Ah yes, his first term. Ironic that they kept the cap then?

I couldn't get the link to the full text to work either.

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reveurgam 3 days ago

I get the impression that Trump has never really been focused on health. He failed to revise or replace Obamacare then. Has he mentioned it since stealing the election? Maybe he didn't have a non-expert lunatic running the HHS the first time?

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reveurgam 17 hours ago

Here's another video for you.

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